Do you want China to be another USA? Because interference with the open market and manipulating other nations with tariffs and sanctions is something China promises not to do unilaterally, unless they are attacked in the same way. Thus, China cannot interfere with normal Chinese-Israeli business. Does that mean construction materials and labour will go to construct things where the Chinese government itself may not want? Sure, but it also means the Chinese will never cut you off unilaterally.
The only way to change this is to petition the UN for global sanctions. But USA will clearly block anything with help from their allies. China simply refuses to take any market distorting actions, and like it or not, construction is absolutely normal business activity.
Of course it sucks. As long as the US and it’s allies will continue to block any global action, China cannot make a move or risk reprisal from those nations as well as lose the trust it’s been building up with the global south. It’s nice to imagine China as an all powerful big dog, but in reality China has a lot of weaknesses it has to play around. And on top of that, it’s promise to BRICS and the global south is that China will never play favorites means it can’t act or lose trust. The trust which is tenuously built since China refuses allies.
The real question you should ask yourself is whether or not China is right and we must move to a multipolar world. If you agree with it and that we should not have a super power hegemon, then sadly blood must be spilled to usher in a new world. And China promises to help construct it no matter who is in charge.
Now, that all said. My personal opinion is I partly disagree. I don’t think the bloodshed is worth it. I also don’t see another path. It’s clear China had chosen to do this regardless. But that means a lot of wars as the world police goes to sleep. Which sadly means we are going to see a lot more genocides.
How much can the contract to send 6000 workers be worth to China? Do they really need the money that bad? They could just not aid the zionist colonialism. Not doing anything would be better than what they are doing.
Not even fucking Germany is sending 6000 workers to literally build colonies. I know, they sent weapons instead, which is worse, but still. You can’t frame this as a strategically necessary decision of China. That’s ridiculous.
It’s not about the money. It’s about conducting normal business regardless of who they are. That’s China’s will. If it was about money, China wouldn’t have just kept sending free money to Palestine through out the war.
So should China stop sending aid in addition to sending workers to Israel? If China does something for one side, it will do something for the other side. Neutral is neutral.
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No? Well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
So should China stop sending aid
Ridiculous straw man argument and false equivalence.
I am not here to say I know better than the CPC leadership, rather that it looks pretty bad to some of those same nations you claim they are trying not to alienate. They simply have no choice but to choose the lesser evil in this case. (not calling the CPC actually evil just a turn of phrase).
Well, neutral means neutral. Sadly, we seem to have lost an understanding of the word in this devisive world. Let me try to use two different conflicts to explain what I mean. Hopefully one of them you’ll be less emotional about one or the other to let you see the neutrality.
The first one is obviously the Russian Ukraine war. China will not sell to Russia anything it wouldn’t be willing to sell to Ukraine. Regardless of the friendship talks with Russia, China maintains it’s neutrality and continues to supply Ukraine with drones and guidance systems. They even prefer them to US switchblades.
People argue that Myanmar is a Chinese puppet. However, China has been supplying the revolutionaries with weapons as much as the Myanmar regime. It’s not China’s place to decide which government the people of Myanmar choose. So regardless of the global backlash China gets for not stepping in, China’s response has always been step in for whom? China is no one’s opponent.
China has been working towards a completely neutral world. They can’t just abandon it because some feel the Gaza conflict is a more worthy cause than all the other ones. Neutral is neutral, good or bad.
Nah dawg fuck you and your condescending tone about my “emotions”. Listen to what @woodenghost@hexbear.net said.
You do not actually need to support sending construction materials to build settlements for a fascist govt. There is absolutely no disadvantage from simply not doing that.
If anything it damages the image of the PRC on the world stage in a lesser but similar way as does every other nation that provides material aid to a genocidal settler colonial state.
You are way off the mark here and missing entirely the point of what “critical support” means.
Of course China does. If China does something for one side, it will do the same for the other. Just like in Russia and Ukraine. Should China stop sending aid to Palestine?
It’s not my bullshit, this is what China stated they want. After all, they are not one to judge what a country is or is not. They only judge themselves. Thus, they cannot change the rules of normal business.
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
China’s rule is they will support both sides regardless of what other say about them. They did it for Russia, they did it for Myanmar. They have to be consistent since every other nation always accuses them of supporting the other side. Imagine if you will if they only supported Russia, how would the EU respond? What about the people of Myanmar if they supported the Myanmar Junta against the protestors?
What would their argument to the United States and EU be if they are biased in the Gaza conflict when China didn’t side with them on Russia? How would the people of Cambodia feel if China broke it’s own rules and militarily supported Myanmar? Neutral is neutral. Once you’ve chosen that, you can’t really go back on your word.
They aren’t neutral, they send 6000 workers. Did they send the same to the Palestinians? Oh right, they couldn’t afford it.
I know the meaning of neutral quite well. Neutral means “I work for the one with the most money”. Neutral means complicit. The examples you give are damming in their own right. Reads like a list of war profitieering. I defend China all the time and I’m all for critical support, but seriously, read back to yourself what you just wrote and pretend it’s Switzerland in the second world war selling weapons to the Nazis and the allies, because they care so much about being “neutral”. They aren’t neutral about their bank accounts.
China has been working towards a completely neutral world. They can’t just abandon it because some feel the Gaza conflict is a more worthy cause than all the other ones. Neutral is neutral, good or bad.
Read Lenin. Capitalist countries aren’t “neutral” they work together to crush us. We have to work together too. International solidarity is at the heart of Marxist-Leninism. Your ideology is counter-revolutionary. I’m not arguing, I’m teaching. Please self crit.
There is a case of wipe your own ass first, western nations are infinitely more complicit in this shit than China is. At the end of the day removed about China generates consent internally in the imperial core to never normalise relationships and to keep pressing toward cold war shit.
I know and I agree with that. But we are among us, right? We already support China, so we don’t have to go so far in our critical support, as to support complicity in zionist colonialism. That can only come from a privileged perspective, of people who aren’t being occupied right now.
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
*Edit. like how your trying to find inconsistencies in Chinese policy. The best part about China is they are always consistent. So I knew the answer to your question before even looking it up with no prior research.
*Edit 2. I also love how the west is saying the same thing your saying. It’s political, it makes China look bad. Take my side China sempai
Your article says that a Chinese company is looking to invest in Crimea, not that they are already doing it. I’m quite sure that if there were Chinese companies currently building in Crimea, we would have heard it in the newspapers.
And Crimea would not even be the best comparison because China does support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Whereas China says it does not support the Israeli colonialism in the West Bank.
Oh ho you almost got me. Crimea wasn’t attacked much. So not much reconstruction necessary. But guess where those Chinese construction crews are? That’s right the Donbas.
Well there you have it comrades. You heard it here first: aiding genocidal settlers is literally the only way not to become like the US.
So everyone better start displacing some natives and aiding in genocide or you’ll become just like the USA who are famous for (checks notes) umm… displacing natives and committing genocide. Sounds weird, but that’s the new line now /s
Actually it’s not for China. That was China’s promise to the world. No matter what happens as long as you don’t block trade from me China will trade with you. They even do this with Taiwan, and believe me, China always keeps it’s word.
There are countries accused of all sorts of things, yet China will never stop trading. Russia, Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Serbia, Egypt, I could go on. What does this say to BRICS nations if China picked a side. They’re trapped by their own promise. But it’s one that keeps them consistent regardless of how the world turns.
You think you have a gotcha, but you’re actually about to unveil a very hard truth of why China is always neutral. Yes, China would trade with the Nazis, or more accurately did. And in return, they protected 250,000 Chinese from the Japanese.
One nations opponent is not another nations. It’s not for China to decide who is right or wrong. Thus as China always says, China is not a party to this conflict.
You’re literally comparing Chiang Kai-shek politics to the supposed anti-imperialist character of the actual, supposed heir of the men and women who fought Chiang Kai-shek, chinese diplomacy, by doing business with the nazis of today, without it being to save a single chinese, btw. But you’re right in something, is not for China or other country to decide who is right or wrong, is for the people of the world. And the blood of any human should boil by knowing what “israel” is and what it’s doing to the Palestinian People for over 70 years. You are basically saying that Marx was wrong when he condemned English colonialism in Ireland, or when he was outraged by the murder of Abraham Lincoln. By your metrics, the founding of the Comintern by the Soviets was an imperialist act. You should read some fucking Lenin or stfu about imperialism.
Your either intentionally missing the point or really do not understand what I am saying. This isn’t political, or economical for China. It’s not about trade or power. It’s simply China keeping it’s promise that it cannot make any unilateral decisions unless China is directly involved.
So your options are either China stays neutral or China takes a stand on a conflict they are not a party to, which literally makes them follow in the footsteps of USA.
While a full boycott on Israel would be very based, the demand here is that China stops aiding Israel in its genocide. China already banned drone exports to Ukraine and Russia. They have applied red lines to trade already.
Yes exactly, China banned drones for Ukraine AND Russia. Neutral is neutral. As I asked others before, would you like China to stop all the aid to Palestine?
Do you want China to be another USA? Because interference with the open market and manipulating other nations with tariffs and sanctions is something China promises not to do unilaterally, unless they are attacked in the same way. Thus, China cannot interfere with normal Chinese-Israeli business. Does that mean construction materials and labour will go to construct things where the Chinese government itself may not want? Sure, but it also means the Chinese will never cut you off unilaterally.
The only way to change this is to petition the UN for global sanctions. But USA will clearly block anything with help from their allies. China simply refuses to take any market distorting actions, and like it or not, construction is absolutely normal business activity.
Okay but it still sucks no matter how you spin it.
obviously fucking not lmao
Of course it sucks. As long as the US and it’s allies will continue to block any global action, China cannot make a move or risk reprisal from those nations as well as lose the trust it’s been building up with the global south. It’s nice to imagine China as an all powerful big dog, but in reality China has a lot of weaknesses it has to play around. And on top of that, it’s promise to BRICS and the global south is that China will never play favorites means it can’t act or lose trust. The trust which is tenuously built since China refuses allies.
The real question you should ask yourself is whether or not China is right and we must move to a multipolar world. If you agree with it and that we should not have a super power hegemon, then sadly blood must be spilled to usher in a new world. And China promises to help construct it no matter who is in charge.
Now, that all said. My personal opinion is I partly disagree. I don’t think the bloodshed is worth it. I also don’t see another path. It’s clear China had chosen to do this regardless. But that means a lot of wars as the world police goes to sleep. Which sadly means we are going to see a lot more genocides.
How much can the contract to send 6000 workers be worth to China? Do they really need the money that bad? They could just not aid the zionist colonialism. Not doing anything would be better than what they are doing. Not even fucking Germany is sending 6000 workers to literally build colonies. I know, they sent weapons instead, which is worse, but still. You can’t frame this as a strategically necessary decision of China. That’s ridiculous.
It’s not about the money. It’s about conducting normal business regardless of who they are. That’s China’s will. If it was about money, China wouldn’t have just kept sending free money to Palestine through out the war.
In the beginning
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-says-provide-2-million-humanitarian-aid-gaza-2023-10-26/
In the middle
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202403/21/content_WS65fb793fc6d0868f4e8e54c8.html
This year
https://english.news.cn/20250219/a55206ed362944b49c23f362cee8527f/c.html
So should China stop sending aid in addition to sending workers to Israel? If China does something for one side, it will do something for the other side. Neutral is neutral.
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No? Well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
Ridiculous straw man argument and false equivalence.
China banned drone sales to Ukraine and Russia so they definitely do apply trade restrictions when faced with pressure to do so.
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I am not here to say I know better than the CPC leadership, rather that it looks pretty bad to some of those same nations you claim they are trying not to alienate. They simply have no choice but to choose the lesser evil in this case. (not calling the CPC actually evil just a turn of phrase).
Well, neutral means neutral. Sadly, we seem to have lost an understanding of the word in this devisive world. Let me try to use two different conflicts to explain what I mean. Hopefully one of them you’ll be less emotional about one or the other to let you see the neutrality.
The first one is obviously the Russian Ukraine war. China will not sell to Russia anything it wouldn’t be willing to sell to Ukraine. Regardless of the friendship talks with Russia, China maintains it’s neutrality and continues to supply Ukraine with drones and guidance systems. They even prefer them to US switchblades.
People argue that Myanmar is a Chinese puppet. However, China has been supplying the revolutionaries with weapons as much as the Myanmar regime. It’s not China’s place to decide which government the people of Myanmar choose. So regardless of the global backlash China gets for not stepping in, China’s response has always been step in for whom? China is no one’s opponent.
China has been working towards a completely neutral world. They can’t just abandon it because some feel the Gaza conflict is a more worthy cause than all the other ones. Neutral is neutral, good or bad.
Nah dawg fuck you and your condescending tone about my “emotions”. Listen to what @woodenghost@hexbear.net said.
You do not actually need to support sending construction materials to build settlements for a fascist govt. There is absolutely no disadvantage from simply not doing that.
If anything it damages the image of the PRC on the world stage in a lesser but similar way as does every other nation that provides material aid to a genocidal settler colonial state.
You are way off the mark here and missing entirely the point of what “critical support” means.
Of course China does. If China does something for one side, it will do the same for the other. Just like in Russia and Ukraine. Should China stop sending aid to Palestine?
In the beginning
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-says-provide-2-million-humanitarian-aid-gaza-2023-10-26/
In the middle
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202403/21/content_WS65fb793fc6d0868f4e8e54c8.html
This year
https://english.news.cn/20250219/a55206ed362944b49c23f362cee8527f/c.html
No ffs obviously not this is dumbass centrist bullshit wrapped in Marxist aesthetic.
It’s not my bullshit, this is what China stated they want. After all, they are not one to judge what a country is or is not. They only judge themselves. Thus, they cannot change the rules of normal business.
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
Ridiculous straw man argument.
China’s rule is they will support both sides regardless of what other say about them. They did it for Russia, they did it for Myanmar. They have to be consistent since every other nation always accuses them of supporting the other side. Imagine if you will if they only supported Russia, how would the EU respond? What about the people of Myanmar if they supported the Myanmar Junta against the protestors?
What would their argument to the United States and EU be if they are biased in the Gaza conflict when China didn’t side with them on Russia? How would the people of Cambodia feel if China broke it’s own rules and militarily supported Myanmar? Neutral is neutral. Once you’ve chosen that, you can’t really go back on your word.
They aren’t neutral, they send 6000 workers. Did they send the same to the Palestinians? Oh right, they couldn’t afford it.
I know the meaning of neutral quite well. Neutral means “I work for the one with the most money”. Neutral means complicit. The examples you give are damming in their own right. Reads like a list of war profitieering. I defend China all the time and I’m all for critical support, but seriously, read back to yourself what you just wrote and pretend it’s Switzerland in the second world war selling weapons to the Nazis and the allies, because they care so much about being “neutral”. They aren’t neutral about their bank accounts.
Read Lenin. Capitalist countries aren’t “neutral” they work together to crush us. We have to work together too. International solidarity is at the heart of Marxist-Leninism. Your ideology is counter-revolutionary. I’m not arguing, I’m teaching. Please self crit.
There is a case of wipe your own ass first, western nations are infinitely more complicit in this shit than China is. At the end of the day removed about China generates consent internally in the imperial core to never normalise relationships and to keep pressing toward cold war shit.
I know and I agree with that. But we are among us, right? We already support China, so we don’t have to go so far in our critical support, as to support complicity in zionist colonialism. That can only come from a privileged perspective, of people who aren’t being occupied right now.
What are you talking about? China is sending straight money to Palestine. They’re making Israel pay.
In the beginning
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-says-provide-2-million-humanitarian-aid-gaza-2023-10-26/
In the middle
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202403/21/content_WS65fb793fc6d0868f4e8e54c8.html
This year
https://english.news.cn/20250219/a55206ed362944b49c23f362cee8527f/c.html
Are you saying they should stop?
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
Ridiculous straw man argument.
China claims to follow international law. Helping build settler colonist projects in the West Bank is in violation of that.
It’s pretty easy to not do business with Israel by simply adhering to international law.
China is not just doing the Israeli food-tech investment schtick. They are directly working with the settler colonists.
Was that a declaration by the UN that Israel is settler colonists? Is Russia? Who gets to decide that label. Why is Israel but not Russia?
yes https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496
Is China building Russian settlements in Crimea?
Yes Russia is.
https://www.rferl.org/a/crimea-property-seizures-ukrainians-targeted-by-russia/33410669.html
First of all terrible source, but I said is China building settlements there?
China is building Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, that is a massive difference from just trading with Israel.
China is investing in Crimea, yes.
https://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/chinese-investment-in-crimea-is-political-backing-for-russia/
*Edit. like how your trying to find inconsistencies in Chinese policy. The best part about China is they are always consistent. So I knew the answer to your question before even looking it up with no prior research.
*Edit 2. I also love how the west is saying the same thing your saying. It’s political, it makes China look bad. Take my side China sempai
Your article says that a Chinese company is looking to invest in Crimea, not that they are already doing it. I’m quite sure that if there were Chinese companies currently building in Crimea, we would have heard it in the newspapers.
And Crimea would not even be the best comparison because China does support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Whereas China says it does not support the Israeli colonialism in the West Bank.
Oh ho you almost got me. Crimea wasn’t attacked much. So not much reconstruction necessary. But guess where those Chinese construction crews are? That’s right the Donbas.
https://english.nv.ua/business/chinese-firms-started-developing-russian-occupied-regions-of-ukraine-nv-analysis-50490190.html
Lame rhetoric.
Well there you have it comrades. You heard it here first: aiding genocidal settlers is literally the only way not to become like the US. So everyone better start displacing some natives and aiding in genocide or you’ll become just like the USA who are famous for (checks notes) umm… displacing natives and committing genocide. Sounds weird, but that’s the new line now /s
Basically for this guy: Anti-imperialism = free trade.
Actually, not doing business with a country is a totally valid choice and has nothing to do with imperialism.
Actually it’s not for China. That was China’s promise to the world. No matter what happens as long as you don’t block trade from me China will trade with you. They even do this with Taiwan, and believe me, China always keeps it’s word.
There are countries accused of all sorts of things, yet China will never stop trading. Russia, Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Serbia, Egypt, I could go on. What does this say to BRICS nations if China picked a side. They’re trapped by their own promise. But it’s one that keeps them consistent regardless of how the world turns.
You’re telling me that if was Nazi Germany, China would be doing trade with it. And you call that country socialist?
You think you have a gotcha, but you’re actually about to unveil a very hard truth of why China is always neutral. Yes, China would trade with the Nazis, or more accurately did. And in return, they protected 250,000 Chinese from the Japanese.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-rabe-alexander-von-falkenhausen
One nations opponent is not another nations. It’s not for China to decide who is right or wrong. Thus as China always says, China is not a party to this conflict.
You’re literally comparing Chiang Kai-shek politics to the supposed anti-imperialist character of the actual, supposed heir of the men and women who fought Chiang Kai-shek, chinese diplomacy, by doing business with the nazis of today, without it being to save a single chinese, btw. But you’re right in something, is not for China or other country to decide who is right or wrong, is for the people of the world. And the blood of any human should boil by knowing what “israel” is and what it’s doing to the Palestinian People for over 70 years. You are basically saying that Marx was wrong when he condemned English colonialism in Ireland, or when he was outraged by the murder of Abraham Lincoln. By your metrics, the founding of the Comintern by the Soviets was an imperialist act. You should read some fucking Lenin or stfu about imperialism.
Your either intentionally missing the point or really do not understand what I am saying. This isn’t political, or economical for China. It’s not about trade or power. It’s simply China keeping it’s promise that it cannot make any unilateral decisions unless China is directly involved.
So your options are either China stays neutral or China takes a stand on a conflict they are not a party to, which literally makes them follow in the footsteps of USA.
While a full boycott on Israel would be very based, the demand here is that China stops aiding Israel in its genocide. China already banned drone exports to Ukraine and Russia. They have applied red lines to trade already.
Yes exactly, China banned drones for Ukraine AND Russia. Neutral is neutral. As I asked others before, would you like China to stop all the aid to Palestine?