Away from Beijing’s lofty rhetoric about defending Palestinians, Chinese firms are helping to sustain illegal settlements.

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    Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.

    Are you saying they should stop?

    Ridiculous straw man argument.

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      China’s rule is they will support both sides regardless of what other say about them. They did it for Russia, they did it for Myanmar. They have to be consistent since every other nation always accuses them of supporting the other side. Imagine if you will if they only supported Russia, how would the EU respond? What about the people of Myanmar if they supported the Myanmar Junta against the protestors?

      What would their argument to the United States and EU be if they are biased in the Gaza conflict when China didn’t side with them on Russia? How would the people of Cambodia feel if China broke it’s own rules and militarily supported Myanmar? Neutral is neutral. Once you’ve chosen that, you can’t really go back on your word.

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        Once you’ve chosen that, you can’t really go back on your word.

        Yes, you can. You can always draw a line. And a good place to draw that line would be at literally supporting and profiting of a fascist colonial regime conducting a genocide so horrible it’s impossible to put into words.

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          So what everyone calls China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, many Latin America, African and South East Asian nations. It’s not for China to decide what a nation is or what it’s people are doing. After all, if we just blindly listen to what people call a fascist colonial regime, then China would have to sanction China.

          *Edit: Or are you saying you completely and blindly trust China’s wisdom on knowing who is and who isn’t what you called them? Now you have USA 2.0.

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            Are you saying you literally can’t tell the difference between revolutionary communist countries and fascist genocidal colonies? Wow, you really do need to read Lenin.

            Also China’s “neutrality” is supposed to be based on non-interference and peaceful development. By building settlements they interfere in what is internationally recognized as occupied Palestine by the UN. And how is aiding genocidal settlers peaceful?

            Edit: I totally do trust China could do be better than this. Don’t you?

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              No China cannot do better. You’re asking China to make decisions for other people and other nations. China refuses and never will. China is not the one who decides who is fascist or who is democratic or whatever. Thus, China will not change the normal rules of business without a global agreement.

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                You must have a really low opinion of China. Literally insulting to the Chinese people how you imply they don’t have any shred of human morals.

                They made a decision, just the wrong one in this single case. Pretend “neutrality”, while really helping the aggressor in the face of genocide is complicity.

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                  Your the one insulting China. The moral is that no nation regardless of size or power gets to make any decisions about another nation. There’s another super power who goes around telling people how to run their country, so if you want China to be as amoral as USA, well too bad. China’s morals are clear. They will not ever push their will on your nation or people. If you can’t understand that pushing your will upon others is amoral, then I don’t know what to tell you.

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                    Well there you have it comrades. You heard it here first: aiding genocidal settlers is literally the only way not to become like the US. So everyone better start displacing some natives and aiding in genocide or you’ll become just like the USA who are famous for (checks notes) umm… displacing natives and committing genocide. Sounds weird, but that’s the new line now /s

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            Lmao this is a ridiculous strawman argument I literally said I support China over the US in my opening comment and here you are not understanding that there are things to criticize. Do you seriously not understand what critical support means?

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              It’s funny, is China critically supporting Russia? What about Myanmar? What about Venezuela? Those are all claims that western nations claim China is doing. Who defines critical support? What makes it critical? What gives you the right to accuse China of critical support? Are you CNN or Fox news?

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              If you support China, then you support China’s neutrality. This has been stated many times by China itself. It cannot be the one to unilaterally make a decision on what a nation is or is not. It’s not China’s place. Thus, it will not change the rules of normal business UNLESS there’s a global agreement. You’re literally telling China to be a king maker, they are not and never will be.