I am not here to say I know better than the CPC leadership, rather that it looks pretty bad to some of those same nations you claim they are trying not to alienate. They simply have no choice but to choose the lesser evil in this case. (not calling the CPC actually evil just a turn of phrase).
Well, neutral means neutral. Sadly, we seem to have lost an understanding of the word in this devisive world. Let me try to use two different conflicts to explain what I mean. Hopefully one of them you’ll be less emotional about one or the other to let you see the neutrality.
The first one is obviously the Russian Ukraine war. China will not sell to Russia anything it wouldn’t be willing to sell to Ukraine. Regardless of the friendship talks with Russia, China maintains it’s neutrality and continues to supply Ukraine with drones and guidance systems. They even prefer them to US switchblades.
People argue that Myanmar is a Chinese puppet. However, China has been supplying the revolutionaries with weapons as much as the Myanmar regime. It’s not China’s place to decide which government the people of Myanmar choose. So regardless of the global backlash China gets for not stepping in, China’s response has always been step in for whom? China is no one’s opponent.
China has been working towards a completely neutral world. They can’t just abandon it because some feel the Gaza conflict is a more worthy cause than all the other ones. Neutral is neutral, good or bad.
Nah dawg fuck you and your condescending tone about my “emotions”. Listen to what @woodenghost@hexbear.net said.
You do not actually need to support sending construction materials to build settlements for a fascist govt. There is absolutely no disadvantage from simply not doing that.
If anything it damages the image of the PRC on the world stage in a lesser but similar way as does every other nation that provides material aid to a genocidal settler colonial state.
You are way off the mark here and missing entirely the point of what “critical support” means.
Of course China does. If China does something for one side, it will do the same for the other. Just like in Russia and Ukraine. Should China stop sending aid to Palestine?
It’s not my bullshit, this is what China stated they want. After all, they are not one to judge what a country is or is not. They only judge themselves. Thus, they cannot change the rules of normal business.
China would not be helping Japan build settlements in China if they returned to their fascist ways.
China knows all to well that some countries very much can and should be judged.
The appropriate analysis is that China gives certain leeway to the uncaring markets of capital in order to try and build/maintain their place in a competitive global order so that they can secure a better future knowing they can’t force a better present to happen today.
Not that they are some enlightened form of centrism personified and they won’t choose between evil and good.
Thus, China learned from this. It’s not for China to decide who is right and who is wrong. Neutral is neutral. As China always says, China is not a party to this conflict.
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
China’s rule is they will support both sides regardless of what other say about them. They did it for Russia, they did it for Myanmar. They have to be consistent since every other nation always accuses them of supporting the other side. Imagine if you will if they only supported Russia, how would the EU respond? What about the people of Myanmar if they supported the Myanmar Junta against the protestors?
What would their argument to the United States and EU be if they are biased in the Gaza conflict when China didn’t side with them on Russia? How would the people of Cambodia feel if China broke it’s own rules and militarily supported Myanmar? Neutral is neutral. Once you’ve chosen that, you can’t really go back on your word.
Once you’ve chosen that, you can’t really go back on your word.
Yes, you can. You can always draw a line. And a good place to draw that line would be at literally supporting and profiting of a fascist colonial regime conducting a genocide so horrible it’s impossible to put into words.
So what everyone calls China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, many Latin America, African and South East Asian nations. It’s not for China to decide what a nation is or what it’s people are doing. After all, if we just blindly listen to what people call a fascist colonial regime, then China would have to sanction China.
*Edit: Or are you saying you completely and blindly trust China’s wisdom on knowing who is and who isn’t what you called them? Now you have USA 2.0.
Are you saying you literally can’t tell the difference between revolutionary communist countries and fascist genocidal colonies?
Wow, you really do need to read Lenin.
Also China’s “neutrality” is supposed to be based on non-interference and peaceful development. By building settlements they interfere in what is internationally recognized as occupied Palestine by the UN. And how is aiding genocidal settlers peaceful?
Edit: I totally do trust China could do be better than this. Don’t you?
Lmao this is a ridiculous strawman argument I literally said I support China over the US in my opening comment and here you are not understanding that there are things to criticize. Do you seriously not understand what critical support means?
They aren’t neutral, they send 6000 workers. Did they send the same to the Palestinians? Oh right, they couldn’t afford it.
I know the meaning of neutral quite well. Neutral means “I work for the one with the most money”. Neutral means complicit. The examples you give are damming in their own right. Reads like a list of war profitieering. I defend China all the time and I’m all for critical support, but seriously, read back to yourself what you just wrote and pretend it’s Switzerland in the second world war selling weapons to the Nazis and the allies, because they care so much about being “neutral”. They aren’t neutral about their bank accounts.
China has been working towards a completely neutral world. They can’t just abandon it because some feel the Gaza conflict is a more worthy cause than all the other ones. Neutral is neutral, good or bad.
Read Lenin. Capitalist countries aren’t “neutral” they work together to crush us. We have to work together too. International solidarity is at the heart of Marxist-Leninism. Your ideology is counter-revolutionary. I’m not arguing, I’m teaching. Please self crit.
There is a case of wipe your own ass first, western nations are infinitely more complicit in this shit than China is. At the end of the day removed about China generates consent internally in the imperial core to never normalise relationships and to keep pressing toward cold war shit.
I know and I agree with that. But we are among us, right? We already support China, so we don’t have to go so far in our critical support, as to support complicity in zionist colonialism. That can only come from a privileged perspective, of people who aren’t being occupied right now.
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
I am not here to say I know better than the CPC leadership, rather that it looks pretty bad to some of those same nations you claim they are trying not to alienate. They simply have no choice but to choose the lesser evil in this case. (not calling the CPC actually evil just a turn of phrase).
Well, neutral means neutral. Sadly, we seem to have lost an understanding of the word in this devisive world. Let me try to use two different conflicts to explain what I mean. Hopefully one of them you’ll be less emotional about one or the other to let you see the neutrality.
The first one is obviously the Russian Ukraine war. China will not sell to Russia anything it wouldn’t be willing to sell to Ukraine. Regardless of the friendship talks with Russia, China maintains it’s neutrality and continues to supply Ukraine with drones and guidance systems. They even prefer them to US switchblades.
People argue that Myanmar is a Chinese puppet. However, China has been supplying the revolutionaries with weapons as much as the Myanmar regime. It’s not China’s place to decide which government the people of Myanmar choose. So regardless of the global backlash China gets for not stepping in, China’s response has always been step in for whom? China is no one’s opponent.
China has been working towards a completely neutral world. They can’t just abandon it because some feel the Gaza conflict is a more worthy cause than all the other ones. Neutral is neutral, good or bad.
Nah dawg fuck you and your condescending tone about my “emotions”. Listen to what @woodenghost@hexbear.net said.
You do not actually need to support sending construction materials to build settlements for a fascist govt. There is absolutely no disadvantage from simply not doing that.
If anything it damages the image of the PRC on the world stage in a lesser but similar way as does every other nation that provides material aid to a genocidal settler colonial state.
You are way off the mark here and missing entirely the point of what “critical support” means.
Of course China does. If China does something for one side, it will do the same for the other. Just like in Russia and Ukraine. Should China stop sending aid to Palestine?
In the beginning
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-says-provide-2-million-humanitarian-aid-gaza-2023-10-26/
In the middle
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202403/21/content_WS65fb793fc6d0868f4e8e54c8.html
This year
https://english.news.cn/20250219/a55206ed362944b49c23f362cee8527f/c.html
No ffs obviously not this is dumbass centrist bullshit wrapped in Marxist aesthetic.
It’s not my bullshit, this is what China stated they want. After all, they are not one to judge what a country is or is not. They only judge themselves. Thus, they cannot change the rules of normal business.
China would not be helping Japan build settlements in China if they returned to their fascist ways.
China knows all to well that some countries very much can and should be judged.
The appropriate analysis is that China gives certain leeway to the uncaring markets of capital in order to try and build/maintain their place in a competitive global order so that they can secure a better future knowing they can’t force a better present to happen today.
Not that they are some enlightened form of centrism personified and they won’t choose between evil and good.
Yes China would, but let’s use Nazis as an example. Unlike the devastation Nazis were causing Europe, Nazis protected 250,000 Chinese citizens.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-rabe-alexander-von-falkenhausen
Thus, China learned from this. It’s not for China to decide who is right and who is wrong. Neutral is neutral. As China always says, China is not a party to this conflict.
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
Ridiculous straw man argument.
China’s rule is they will support both sides regardless of what other say about them. They did it for Russia, they did it for Myanmar. They have to be consistent since every other nation always accuses them of supporting the other side. Imagine if you will if they only supported Russia, how would the EU respond? What about the people of Myanmar if they supported the Myanmar Junta against the protestors?
What would their argument to the United States and EU be if they are biased in the Gaza conflict when China didn’t side with them on Russia? How would the people of Cambodia feel if China broke it’s own rules and militarily supported Myanmar? Neutral is neutral. Once you’ve chosen that, you can’t really go back on your word.
Yes, you can. You can always draw a line. And a good place to draw that line would be at literally supporting and profiting of a fascist colonial regime conducting a genocide so horrible it’s impossible to put into words.
So what everyone calls China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, many Latin America, African and South East Asian nations. It’s not for China to decide what a nation is or what it’s people are doing. After all, if we just blindly listen to what people call a fascist colonial regime, then China would have to sanction China.
*Edit: Or are you saying you completely and blindly trust China’s wisdom on knowing who is and who isn’t what you called them? Now you have USA 2.0.
Are you saying you literally can’t tell the difference between revolutionary communist countries and fascist genocidal colonies? Wow, you really do need to read Lenin.
Also China’s “neutrality” is supposed to be based on non-interference and peaceful development. By building settlements they interfere in what is internationally recognized as occupied Palestine by the UN. And how is aiding genocidal settlers peaceful?
Edit: I totally do trust China could do be better than this. Don’t you?
Lmao this is a ridiculous strawman argument I literally said I support China over the US in my opening comment and here you are not understanding that there are things to criticize. Do you seriously not understand what critical support means?
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They aren’t neutral, they send 6000 workers. Did they send the same to the Palestinians? Oh right, they couldn’t afford it.
I know the meaning of neutral quite well. Neutral means “I work for the one with the most money”. Neutral means complicit. The examples you give are damming in their own right. Reads like a list of war profitieering. I defend China all the time and I’m all for critical support, but seriously, read back to yourself what you just wrote and pretend it’s Switzerland in the second world war selling weapons to the Nazis and the allies, because they care so much about being “neutral”. They aren’t neutral about their bank accounts.
Read Lenin. Capitalist countries aren’t “neutral” they work together to crush us. We have to work together too. International solidarity is at the heart of Marxist-Leninism. Your ideology is counter-revolutionary. I’m not arguing, I’m teaching. Please self crit.
There is a case of wipe your own ass first, western nations are infinitely more complicit in this shit than China is. At the end of the day removed about China generates consent internally in the imperial core to never normalise relationships and to keep pressing toward cold war shit.
I know and I agree with that. But we are among us, right? We already support China, so we don’t have to go so far in our critical support, as to support complicity in zionist colonialism. That can only come from a privileged perspective, of people who aren’t being occupied right now.
What are you talking about? China is sending straight money to Palestine. They’re making Israel pay.
In the beginning
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-says-provide-2-million-humanitarian-aid-gaza-2023-10-26/
In the middle
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202403/21/content_WS65fb793fc6d0868f4e8e54c8.html
This year
https://english.news.cn/20250219/a55206ed362944b49c23f362cee8527f/c.html
Are you saying they should stop?
Oh, so with that aid they paid the Palestinians for the stolen land on which they build settlements for fascists? Did the Palestinians agree to hand over this land in exchange for some food packages? No, well than that’s just like aiding a thief and then throwing some pocket change at the helpless victim as they lie on the ground. Wondering how the value of these construction materials and all the work hours compares to the aid.
Ridiculous straw man argument.