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And this is a country whose people have been fed heavily pro-Israel propaganda since the day they were born. What does the rest of the world think ?
The zionist nazi state has no right to exist. Just like nazi Germany had no right to exist. A state built on ethnic cleansing, stealing peoples land and their massacre is a state which should not exist.
Just like the United states too
Still too high but it isn’t easy to undo decades of brainwashing
Brainwashing or just nasty people?
Brainwashing. Trying to understand the Palestine- Israel situation was something I casually worked at, off and on, for twelve years, which is 1000x more effort than most Americans put into it. I’d get about six hours into trying to untangle the propaganda and get what I felt was an accurate portrayal of the truth using what I felt were high factuality, unbiased sources and just get nowhere. I got as far as understanding that Israel is an authoritarian police/ethnostate, but I never had so clear of a picture of the situation as I do now. Israel has removed all doubt for me that they’re proudly undertaking a project of genocide.
No doubt about the genocide.
Maybe I am unfairly judging Americans who support Israel or look down on Palestinians.
But I have so much anger about that I cannot be impartial. Most Americans have had hints they ignore, deliberately. I can’t forgive that
Most people have a very surface level understanding of various political issues. There’s only so many hours in a day, and people choose to use them in different ways. I can’t really blame them for that. I also can’t blame them for the fact that we’re probably one of the most heavily propagandized peoples on earth, with Fox and the right wing news networks being the crowning jewel of such. I can see how it’d be easy to take your infotainment of Jesse Waters smugly “owning” Nancy Pelosi over some stupid fucking bullshit she said or did without ever hearing a real dissenting voice and just stop there. I can’t agree with it, but a lot of the normies I know have made it clear to me that I’m a special case in that regard.
All I know is that if I can blame the average Russian, German, Brit, Serbian, Hutu etc for bad things in history. No force on earth is going to have me give Americans a pass. Especially after the majority of them supported the wars in the Middle East.
It’s a genocide, the clues are everywhere. It’s not an American thing that makes it unique. There are shitty people everywhere mixed in with decent folks.
And it’s fine to not protest or just be quiet. Sometimes that is all one can do. It’s ok to think one is powerless to oppose such things. This is the case for many.
But actual support that is voluntary? No
And I think there is some overlap between our two views. Many of the people who I would give a pass to, are many of the people you talk about
Human psyche is susceptible to manipulation.
It mostly works on people already bigoted and hateful, I think. A decent person may have inaccurate picture, but indecent people support it more
Extreme, overt brainwashing.
I has no sympathy towards the genocidal ideology of zionism.
But I’m definitely sympathic to people who are born in palestine and resist the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc. That’s brave regardless of their “religion” or lack thereof.
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It should read “zionists” not “Israeli” - for multiple obvious reasons.
A large portion of US zionists are white Christians who have no connections to the middle east other than their doomsday prophecy.
It’s insane to me and I don’t think many people realize that a large part of American (civilian, non-academic, “salt of the earth” types) support for Israel is directly tied to eschatology.
A huge swath of Christians (and some Jews, and some Muslims) believe the Third Temple has to be built where the Dome of the Rock currently stands before their messiah can return. It’s literally a doomsday cult, they expect/want WWIII.
The imperialist/military-industrial complex element should not be forgotten, either. There’s a lot of money invested in the US’s unsinkable aircraft carrier in West Asia.
Yeah we broke the majority last year
Fascism is unpopular. 🙁
Many people still think “both sides” though
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So what are they going to do? This is what happens when you prop up & support ethno religious states. Don’t want it then stop supporting Israel’s existence.
The problem isn’t that Israel is an ethno-religious state, it’s that it’s a genocidal, apartheid, settler-colonial state imposing itself on someone else’s land, and it’s trying to ethnically cleanse that land of its indigenous peoples, and it’s trying to expand its territory into a “Greater Israel,” extending its project of ethnic cleansing ever wider.
You can support Israel without supporting what they’re doing.
Edit: the state of Israel
Israel is what it is doing. It was founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing.
You can support israelis by sending them back to Poland or to hell.
What would “support” look like in this case? How do you ensure that support isn’t weaponised and used to promote genocide?
How do you ensure the alternative doesn’t?
