But will it fuck up my formatting when I add an image?

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213095

https://discuss.getsol.us/d/6564-cant-boot-into-the-lts-kernel/3

https://discuss.getsol.us/d/4899-let-s-talk-about-the-lts-kernels

lts kernels should not be used with newer hardware… because they don’t have modern software support, anyone that uses modern hardware risks being unable to boot with them. I shouldn’t have said crashes but the issues are numerous.

So you don’t have stats you have anecdotal evidence.

The second thing doesn’t require a source, they don’t have the manpower to implement it in cinnamon, look at the github pulse: https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/pulse

It clearly requires a source because Cinnamon 6.0 has Wayland as an experimental support and Mint team has said they are planning to eventually move to Wayland.

https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland debian, notorious for being the most stable distro by far already uses it by default…

For Gnome. You’ve been pretty much talking about KDE (unless you’re now magically going to do a 180 and start saying how Windows users would have a better time learning GNOME), which if you bothered to actually check what you’re saying would have noticed the

however you are recommended to read the detailed wiki section for KDE on Wayland, especially if you are using an NVIDIA GPU.

Clearly implying you should expect running into issues.

i have only used industry standard terminology and what I said is straightforward…

Somehow the things you say are straight-forward seem to be nothing but.

kernel has drivers, old kernel no has new drivers, new drivers needed for hardware support, lts kernel old.

In theory. Except in practice we’re not talking about kernels that are 5+ years old. Latest Mint version is running on Ubuntu Noble which is using Kernel version 6.8 which supports all the latest CPU-s and GPU-s. Just because it’s not using the very latest kernel version doesn’t mean it’s not capable of supporting the latest hardware.

They can crash more frequently.

Where are your stats for this.

and the reason mint stays on x11 has NOTHING to do with this

source?

stable distros have worse support out of the box because they use an older kernel version and the kernel ships the drivers.

At this point I don’t even know what that means because maybe you have some other weird definition to pull out of your ass. Give me that in 5th grader level.

Mint focuses on stability reliability as evident from its decision to use Ubuntu LTS versions as it’s base. In case I need to spell it out, LTS versions are generally more reliable.

And you brought up X11 as a negative, but there’s a good reason Mint is staying on X11. Yes, Wayland is the future and eventually Mint will adopt Wayland as well, when Wayland becomes more stable reliable. I’m the mean time Mint stays on X11 because X11 is very stable reliable, extremely stable reliable compared to Wayland if you have an Nvidia card.

Mint also has better out the box support. For example to my knowledge for Nvidia Fedora comes with Nouvuea drivers which means for gaming you need to go through an extra process to get proprietary drivers. Mint has out the box support for Nvidia drivers. This is less of a thing when compared to Bazzite, but still a reason why to pick Mint as a beginner distro.

FTFY you little grammar nazi.

From your own article

Or, the fact that the same term is understood in two different and sometimes conflicting ways may indicate that the term is not an ideal one in the first place.

I’m sorry that English is not my first language and I’m not aware of the subtle difference in meaning you’re after, but really all you’ve proven is that you’re a pedantic little troll who understood what I said and still chose to be obtuse about it. Another example how of this discussion is a waste of time.

Okay, this has turned into a complete waste of time. It’s impossible to talk to a person who makes up their own definition for words and demands proof of something most of the Linux community is in agreement. You’re the Linux equivalent of a flat earther.

The arguments are super simple.

Mint focuses on stability as evident from its decision to use Ubuntu LTS versions as it’s base. In case I need to spell it out, LTS versions are generally more stable and reliable.

And you brought up X11 as a negative, but there’s a good reason Mint is staying on X11. Yes, Wayland is the future and eventually Mint will adopt Wayland as well, when Wayland becomes more stable. I’m the mean time Mint stays on X11 because X11 is very stable, extremely stable compared to Wayland if you have an Nvidia card.

Mint also has better out the box support. For example to my knowledge for Nvidia Fedora comes with Nouvuea drivers which means for gaming you need to go through an extra process to get proprietary drivers. Mint has out the box support for Nvidia drivers. This is less of a thing when compared to Bazzite, but still a reason why to pick Mint as a beginner distro.

And the reason people recommend Mint is in those first two points. Mint deliberately sacrifices fancy bells and whistles to be as stable as possible. You not knowing that shows how little you know about Mint.

Specializes in giving beginners Linux, can’t name a single good reason why people recommend Mint to beginners (now or in the past), except for it having a GUI and guides. I don’t know about the beginners you’re “helping” but based on this conversation I wouldn’t trust a single recommendation, suggestion or opinion from you.

That does NOT have very little to do with beginners, being a highly supported distro is one of the most important things for beginners

Beingly highly supported is a prerequisite to being a good beginner distro, but it’s not a reason to recommend a distro. If we take it as a reason then Mint having a GUI is also a reason to recommend to beginners.

having guides for how to do things written specifically for your distro is fantastic for new people.

This is where we’re going to completely disagree. Guides in general are good, but I doubt any beginner actually cares about guides, unless it’s a guide telling you what to click where on the GUI. A good beginner distro has to work for the user without the need of any guides.

It being beloved is why it’s recommended, yes, and that doesn’t benefit new people, but that’s an obvious reason why one might recommend it…

Instead of playing the prying game where I keep prying until you give straight answers (because people don’t love Mint just because it’s an Ubuntu fork) I’m just going to conclude that either you deliberately don’t want to say why people recommend Mint to beginners or you actually don’t know why people recommend Mint. I don’t care which it is because both invalidate your opinion of the Mint suggestion being outdated.

There’s also the fact that it’s designed to be easy to use, but that also applies to fedora, and fedora is significantly more well-developed, so it’s not really relevant here.

Somehow you think the ease of use isn’t relevant because it also applies to Fedora, but support is relevant despite it also applying to Fedora? How about some consistency in your arguments.

The only reason Mint is suggested to beginners is because it’s “a highly supported, beloved distro”? A reason that has very little to do with beginners?

Stupid autocorrect. Why was it the best choice?

We’ve was it the best choice?

We’ve already established that a lot of people will recommend Mint. What do you think, why do a lot of people recommend Mint?

I disagree. Obviously the most ideal solution would be the have immutable Mint, but beginners need stability more than they do immutability. I’ve used mint and my only issue with Mint was that I didn’t like how it looked. I’m currently on Bazzite and these are the issues I’ve ran into:

Every time I start Firefox it asks to be made into the default browser. Even if I click yes it will still ask again next time I start Firefox.

When using the default audio sometimes the audio signal to my monitor cuts off which means I no audio comes from the speakers. If I tell the system to send the audio to my other monitor and back to the one I have hooked on the speakers then it instantly works again. It’s almost like the system forgets it has to send out audio. I don’t remember what I did to fix it but it definitely wasn’t beginner friendly.

Sometimes one of the monitors freezes and only one. The second monitor keeps working just fine. So far haven’t found a permanent solution for this issue.

There have also been some minor artifacting that I personally don’t consider an issue but someone else might.

Overall I can put up with the issues because I’ve pretty much conceded that I’m going to have issues. But I don’t think new users should be using a system where they’re going to run into problems they’re most likely not equipped to fix. That why I recommend Mint to newcomers because all the fancy bells and whistles don’t matter if the system doesn’t work. Mint doesn’t have bells and whistles, but it just works.