Yes, no evidence for genocide. As reported by UN, Worldbank and Organization of Islamic Cooperation. But I‘m open to changing my opinion if you can present some facts? I‘m more than happy to provide sources if you can‘t find mine by googling.
Peak lib brained statement. Does nobody have to die for it to be a murder?
Not that your assumption is any less false, there is zero evidence of genocide in Xinjiang, there is an open campaign against fundamentalist radicalization driven by US proxies which had resulted in some of the most deadly terror attacks in the world for more than a decade. The way such a campaign is conducted is via community outreach, job programs and (in cases where people have already been radicalized) reeducation.
These programs have been lauded by the Arab League as an example to be followed in the fight against terrorism. But if you have any evidence (actual evidence, not war-profiteer ASPI citing fascist evangelical Adrian Zenz and satellite pictures of nondescript buildings) I’d like to see it. Because if you don’t have evidence but are happy to tell others that it’s happening, you might want to examine your gullibility and whether it’s driven by sinophobia.
Where’s the evidence for that claim? There’s evidence of it happening in Israel and the US migrant concentration camps, but I haven’t seen any regarding China other than “trust me bro”
wdym, the proof is from this state approved article that I read which references another article which references another article which references another article which references a funny little book, which is really a collection of campfire stories, signed by weird guy with the initials “A.Z.”. Check and mate.
I’m disappointed that you are offering a low-quality source like the Financial Times for these serious accusations, and the shoddy reporting is apparent in the article itself:
In many areas, officials have told current and retired civil servants that their benefits will be taken away if they worship more than a few times per year, according to Hui human rights campaigner Ma Ju.
Which officals? Which current and retired civil servants? And why is the only source for this ‘a US-based campaigner for Chinese Muslim rights’? The lack of corroboration should be worrying. Relying on pseudonymous sources is usually not good reporting, either, as they have as many credentials as a common rumourer.
The conclusion is also confusing:
Two years later, these remarks were formalised into the government’s “Five-Year Plan on the Sinicisation of Islam”, which set out to standardise Chinese style in everything from Islamic attire to ceremonies and architecture, and called for the “establishment of an Islamic theology with Chinese characteristics”.
Hui Muslims like Mohammed still fear a possible future without Islam in China.
So, wait, Beijing wants to destroy Islam by… reforming it? I guess that that could be possible in some way, but the article does not explain how.
That being said, I don’t want to dismiss every claim in this article at face value, like restricting religion to adults (which, honestly, might be for the best), but if I believed that Beijing was trying to eradicate Islam then I would be dissatisfied with this article’s quality.
Although this does make me wonder if there are Chinese Muslims consenting to or even ordering these reformations. Perhaps @yogthos@lemmy.ml or @davel@lemmy.ml could inform me on this if they would be so gracious.
Look at the pictures. Literally look at them. Source does not matter.
Go look up any Youtube video and see how the article matches how the mosques look. Why did they all go from classic Islamic architecture to Han temples?
In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.
Your mountain of Western Imperialism Times evidence isn’t even about forced sterilization or birthrates. It looks like they spent a lot of money on that extraordinarily slick webpage, though. They must really care a lot about the plight of Xinjiang Muslims. Usually they’re not especially sympathetic to Muslims, but for the poor Uyghurs—for no particular reason—their hearts bleed 🤔
My bad I think I misread the reaction chain. The organ harvesting is obviously fake.
I don’t doubt that the FT has an ulterior motive for this investigation. However, the evidence with the pictures holds up. Even if all of the anonymous witnesses in the article are made up.
No evidence of genocide in China?
No, neither “cultural” nor otherwise.
Yes, no evidence for genocide. As reported by UN, Worldbank and Organization of Islamic Cooperation. But I‘m open to changing my opinion if you can present some facts? I‘m more than happy to provide sources if you can‘t find mine by googling.
Yeah, but have you considered that China is genociding deserts and the fossil fuel industry!
I imagine anyone that would post that has already been taken to the mobile execution van by the mods? I’m next aren’t I, now?
A, no, I’m safe, by leaving up my superficially comment, they can pretend they don’t have a ban list as long as the great wall, very clever.
But next time of cpurse, it’s squick time.
No evidence only adri-zenz
CIA propaganda has never been a synonym for “evidence”. At least for anyone having a few working brain cells.
There is evidence for human rights violations but not genocide.
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Peak lib brained statement. Does nobody have to die for it to be a murder?
Not that your assumption is any less false, there is zero evidence of genocide in Xinjiang, there is an open campaign against fundamentalist radicalization driven by US proxies which had resulted in some of the most deadly terror attacks in the world for more than a decade. The way such a campaign is conducted is via community outreach, job programs and (in cases where people have already been radicalized) reeducation.
These programs have been lauded by the Arab League as an example to be followed in the fight against terrorism. But if you have any evidence (actual evidence, not war-profiteer ASPI citing fascist evangelical Adrian Zenz and satellite pictures of nondescript buildings) I’d like to see it. Because if you don’t have evidence but are happy to tell others that it’s happening, you might want to examine your gullibility and whether it’s driven by sinophobia.
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No, they are not trying to do anything of the sort.
working is a human rights violation for lazy westerners
It’s a bourgeois rights violation, while the proles get prison slave labor when they get out of line.
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Forced sterilisation says otherwise.
Projection!
Where’s the evidence for that claim? There’s evidence of it happening in Israel and the US migrant concentration camps, but I haven’t seen any regarding China other than “trust me bro”
wdym, the proof is from this state approved article that I read which references another article which references another article which references another article which references a funny little book, which is really a collection of campfire stories, signed by weird guy with the initials “A.Z.”. Check and mate.
https://ig.ft.com/china-mosques/
It also matches up with every Youtube video of a person visiting Xinjiang and the mosques are all looking like this.
🤷 Not every YouTube video. Maybe every YouTube video that the algorithm shows you.
I opened your first link and it is a Han style temple…
Second link as well
Third link not about mosques
Fourth link Han style too…
Fifth is not! But it looks more like an office building
Sixth is a LOT of Han style mosques.
Seventh has a dome!
Eighth has dome as well!
I’m disappointed that you are offering a low-quality source like the Financial Times for these serious accusations, and the shoddy reporting is apparent in the article itself:
Which officals? Which current and retired civil servants? And why is the only source for this ‘a US-based campaigner for Chinese Muslim rights’? The lack of corroboration should be worrying. Relying on pseudonymous sources is usually not good reporting, either, as they have as many credentials as a common rumourer.
The conclusion is also confusing:
So, wait, Beijing wants to destroy Islam by… reforming it? I guess that that could be possible in some way, but the article does not explain how.
That being said, I don’t want to dismiss every claim in this article at face value, like restricting religion to adults (which, honestly, might be for the best), but if I believed that Beijing was trying to eradicate Islam then I would be dissatisfied with this article’s quality.
Although this does make me wonder if there are Chinese Muslims consenting to or even ordering these reformations. Perhaps @yogthos@lemmy.ml or @davel@lemmy.ml could inform me on this if they would be so gracious.
Look at the pictures. Literally look at them. Source does not matter.
Go look up any Youtube video and see how the article matches how the mosques look. Why did they all go from classic Islamic architecture to Han temples?
There are also videos of Uyghurs protesting this https://youtu.be/Z7nVLuOM1D8
For which there is no evidence. In fact the opposite happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_China#Affirmative_action_policies
There are mountains of evidence. Most obviously the Chinese government tearing down all mosques minarets and making them look like Chinese temples.
https://ig.ft.com/china-mosques/
I was responding to:
Your mountain of Western Imperialism Times evidence isn’t even about forced sterilization or birthrates. It looks like they spent a lot of money on that extraordinarily slick webpage, though. They must really care a lot about the plight of Xinjiang Muslims. Usually they’re not especially sympathetic to Muslims, but for the poor Uyghurs—for no particular reason—their hearts bleed 🤔
My bad I think I misread the reaction chain. The organ harvesting is obviously fake.
I don’t doubt that the FT has an ulterior motive for this investigation. However, the evidence with the pictures holds up. Even if all of the anonymous witnesses in the article are made up.
Especially when linked with the Sinifaction plan of Islam as pointed out by the article. https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/islamsinifcationplan/
I can’t wait until i never have to see another comment from your shithole liberal instance