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I don’t hate all Americans, I’ve met some really cool ones over the years. But I do hate its fake democracy, its vulgar, parasitic oligarchs, its deceitful propaganda networks and the lust for war and global domination that drenches all three.
American exceptionalism is basically a circle-jerk.
That’s been my biggest problem with the pretty low number of americans I have actually met. They’ve all been so fucking obnoxious and look-at-me-I’m-better-because-'Murica.
Not just that but the lies? Holy shit the amount of lies I’ve had to listen to. American dude told me he just kinda woke up in my european city after having been drinking and doing drugs. When he came to he realised he’d bought a house after landing. Told me he was going to be mayor in my city because he thought most danes would really like his american values. Like in what fucking world can a person be so fucking delusional to think anyone would believe that? That’s not how any of this fucking works! Thankfully that’s the worst one I’ve met.
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Before all this we used to say “Chinese quality, German price”
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You serious? I get great US made clothes.
Hey hey these two things aren’t mutually exclusive!
True and acceptable, however I don’t feel patriotic.
I don’t either in the typical “my country is the best” way, more like “my country is democratic and that’s why it’s good (also use your influence to make democracy more commonplace pls)”.
You just defined nationalism (“my country is better, fuck the others”) vs. patriotism (“I love my country and will defend its values”)
And if they’re both rotten, well there’s always a common enemy.
Yeah, the problem in the US for an example is nationalism, not patriotism. True patriots would be fuming at what’s going on. It’s the nationalists that cheer on.
Americans are very good at cognitive dissonance and arrogance.
It’s mainly about fuck Muskytrump & cia. not generally all US = crap, valid only for certain collectives.
You boycot american products because you think you are american.
I don’t because America is a continent not a single country.
This. I’ve gotten some pushback on it, but I believe the US shouldn’t own the term “American”. I say that as a US American.
They don’t “own” anything. In multiple languages another correct way to name them is the equivalent of Unitedstadian, this is true for French and Spanish.
So… USian?
Yank
USican
I hate this argument. The term America has been used to refer to the US for so long now that it’s colloquially the same.
The term “USian” is just as bad as “American” if you really give a fuck about the names of countries because the USA is not the only “United States” they could be part of either. If you’re gonna try to find a word that is instantly recognizable as “citizen of the United States of America” why not just use the one that literally billions of people already use every day?
why not just use the one that literally billions of people already use every day
Estadounidense?
If you’re speaking Spanish, and that’s the colloquial term in your region, yes. That’s exactly how linguistics work.
Because we don’t agree with the US’s imperialist co-option of that term to exclude the majority of americans.
How about we call them “Union Members” seeing as they’re part of “the Union” as decreed by their founding fathers? Instead of bulldozing over all of the other “United States” in America and the world by replacing the imperialist “American” with the… Somehow less imperialist “United States Ian”?
Could be wrong, but I think that might only be true for English.
In Spanish, American (the demonym) translates to “estadounidense” and in French there’s “étasunien” that basically translate to “USian”. While some get offended, it’s more accurate and avoids the automatic imperialism.
What is the official name of Mexico?
Meh hee koh.
So are you being intentionally obtuse or just can’t be bothered to debate in good faith?
Yanquis
Hi, nice to meet you. Where are you from? America. Oh, like Mexico or Chile?
It’s always fun to see their faces :)
I boycott american products because they simply are not worth their price
That’s a pretty Liberal take from someone using a “Lemmygrad” account.
I don’t see how it’s liberal, Marxists don’t take a vow of poverty or reject the laws of economics. US-made products generally are higher priced compared to equivalent performance due to Imperialism inflating costs of production in the Global North.
Fair enough.
a liberal take would be to consume something only based by its place of origin
I don’t get it
Pro-Euro vs anti-US. The “buy European” movement is generally occupied by a mixture of genuine anti-US protestors, as well as various European nationalists. Kinda like how cottagecore got captured by the far-right, the lack of a cohesive line is leading to some groups pushing Euro-flavored fascism as an alternative to US-flavored fascism, as far right parties increasingly gain ground in the EU.
You can’t generalize so much, the reasons are much broader. It is mainly that it is not desirable that a single country controls the largest part of the internet, and until now that the EU depends almost entirely to applications and services of the US, which, especially in the current situation and the policy of Trump, this dependency and subordination will have dire consequences. Is to promote the technology of european, to convert the EU as a sovereign state at the height of the eye with the current giants technologicas that account for all the market, many times abusive. Monopolies are never desirable, because they tend to be destructive…
Generalizations will always miss finer details, I agree, but this is a phenomenon I have noticed.
The main reason, at least for me, is the mencioned. Too long the EU was the Frog, boiled by the US.
Does this mean Europeans will also boycott goods that they steal from the 17 countries they still have colonized?
No? Oh.
Ah, good ole whataboutism.
It’s not whataboutism when my entire ideology is anti-nationalism. You don’t get it, do you? I want all of the Western imperialist nations to collapse, including the European ones.
Your rhetoric is weak and outdated, still viewing the world through borders. You think Musk gives a fuck about borders? Grow up.
Why stop at the western nations?
Yes, let all the empires fall. By default, boycotting goods made by slave labor/colonization would apply to TEMU, Apple, etc.
3 of these 17 territories are colonies of the USA (American Samoa, Guam, Virgin Islands).
When it comes to Europe the extortion of former colonies might be the bigger problem (the Franc Zone or the ongoing exploitation of African ressources).
Right. But, I’m an American who strives to boycott goods produced by slave labor and/or colonization by my own government because I believe class solidarity transcends borders.
The BuyEuropean movement is largely nationalistic and uninterested in class solidarity. Don’t get me wrong, I think the entire world should be boycotting American goods. Let the empire collapse, please.
But, boycotting American goods while still exploiting the Global South for centuries is not a flex.
You will never convince a majority of Western people of boycotting anything for a moral reason.
They boycott America because they finally feel threatened. Just take the W and let them boycott America.
You will never convince a majority of Western people of boycotting anything for a moral reason.
And they will probably stop boycotting when the America fascist-meter drop from 100% to the normal 88%
That is very likely. But the American economy is feeble right now. Trump picked a bad timing to go on a tirade.
American Evangelicals and Zionists are bankrolling European far right parties as well. Europe cutting off America is better for the whole world.
You right lol
The post only says they’re “Anti-American”. It never said they were anti-American for any of the good reasons.
there is problems with the buy european movement as outlines in other comments here, but as an American: please continue boycotting us, the chances of our government changing for the better are slim, but every bit of protest matters.
I Boycott American products because I’m 3 ‘once-in-a-lifetime’ recessions deep and cannot afford them
As an American…
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Seems like something I’d come across in r/2westerneurope4you
I was feeling more “American that hates their government” vibes
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I don’t want to see you flying your colonial-ass flag Canada, I want to see you supporting small, local, and indigenous owned businesses. Be pro-people, don’t be pro-country.
I boycott products because I’m a freaking cheapskate.
I’ve noticed a significant drop in people using the phrase “America bad” as a mocking jibe, since it no longer really works as a hyperbolic statement.
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“Fuck America” is more common these days.
It was always bad, but for many years its energy resources were unmatched, so no country could keep up.
Today the gap is not so big anymore.
