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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

It's even infecting the wider lemmy network!

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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago
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    some credible china-bad studies that aren’t sourced from British or US state media.

    University of Limpopo, South Africa, on China neocolonising Africa - https://www.jstor.org/stable/27159668. Is that credible enough for you?

    If not, is there a source that you would call credible - and if it exists, what is it?

    Note: I hope I don’t come as aggressive, I was trying to be succinct.

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      Sorry is China cutting people hand because they didn’t pick up their quota of rubber for the day? Ah that’s right, it was Belgium.

      Quit downplaying the horror of real colonisation.

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        downplaying

        Where am I doing that?

        Sorry is China cutting people hand

        This is literally whataboutism.

        Was Leopold bloody years of terror vastly worse? Yes. Who is arguing with that? Is China benevolent and non exploitative? The African studies done by locals tend to say no.

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          StudieS? You linked one, idiot

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      I can’t read that as it’s paywalled. Anyway here’s a lot of links about this topic, several from African leaders and diplomats on the difference between Chinese trade and development in Africa and actual imperialism as practiced by western countries:

      • Debunking the claim that “China is Imperialist”
      • The demeanor of Chinese leaders (Xi Jinping) vs Western leaders (Nancy Pelosi) towards African nations. One of the reasons why African nations favor China instead of the West. Full video here
      • An African leader on the hypocrisy of those saying China is imperialist.
      • China africa panel: if you want actual infrastructure, you go to China, not the west.
      • Is China really imperialist? What’s the difference between what Europe did to Africa, and what China is doing?
      • Five imperialist myths about China’s role in Africa.
      • Evo Morales - Why China and Russia aren’t imperialist, but the US is.
      • US air force veteran Bill Brown breaks down the history of anti-chinese propaganda, and why China is not colonialist like the west.
      • Yanis Varoufakis on China’s foreign policy dealings with Greece and Africa.
      • Vijay Prashad and Qiao Collective - Is China imperializing Africa?
      • Danny Haiphong from BlackAgenaReport interview with Anya Parampil from thegrayzone: on the new cold war, and a myriad of lies about China.
      • The Belt and Road Initiative: the antithesis of Colonialism.
      • The war on China : and geopolitical significance of the belt and road initiative.
      • China has forgiven over $10B in debt, over half to Cuba, but also including > 20 African nations, Pakistan, and Cambodia.
      • After covid, China suspends debt repayment for 77 countries, promises > $2B USD and medical supplies as aid to help developing countries fight covid.
      • President Xi pledges coronavirus vaccine to Africa first, helps fund African CDC headquarters.
      • The chinese debt trap is a myth.
      • China writes off $6M in debt to rwanda, provides another $60M in grants.
      • China forgives over $78M in Cameroon debt.
      • China writes off $36m Mozambican debt.
      • China writes off substantial amount of Angola debt.
      • After a group of Guangdong landlords evicted a group of Africans, the CPC arrested them, apologized to the African Union, paid for hotels for the migrants, passed a series of anti-discrimination laws, and spent weeks going to all the restaurants, landlords, and taxis to warn them of the law.
      • Nato’s new enemy: the CPC.
      • The western media’s China hysteria.
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        It’s not paywalled. I think you didn’t even bother to click “read full article” or whatever the button name is. They might ask you to register witb a free account.

        If you want to use other people opinions as an argument, I’m going to ask you for what you asked for - studies. Preferably published in journals, not essays by socials celebrities like Caitlin Johnstone, nor articles in Chinese newspapers, nor Reddit. And that’s because a deluge of weak sources is worthless - that’s how US propaganda works and enforces itself.

        Extra points if the studies are not from China or it’s close Allies, just so that you have exactly the same requirements as the ones you asked for.

        Can be paywalled.

        Edit: I highly recommend you read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

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          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290551890_Genocide_and_Mass_Violence_in_the_'Heart_of_Darkness'_Africa_in_the_Colonial_Period

          Say what you want about China but they aren’t out there enslaving the population and raping women. At worth they’re doing what the FMI is doing with their debt trap. How dare you compare that shit with real life violence

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