• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    The Red Army was responsible for 90% of Nazi deaths, and took Berlin. The Soviet Union paid by far the biggest price in winning World War II, and was by far the most responsible for ending it. I’m not going to apologize for being a Marxist, it sounds like you wished the other side won World War II.

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        The Eastern Front was decisive in determining the outcome in the European theatre of operations in World War II, eventually serving as the main reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany and the Axis nations.[q] It is noted by historian Geoffrey Roberts that “More than 80 percent of all combat during the Second World War took place on the Eastern Front”.

        Eastern Front (World War II)

        As much as you may have hated it, the good guys won World War II, not Germany.

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            Every army committed crimes against civilians, sadly, but the Soviets took that seriously enough to punish rapists with the death penalty. Other armies, like the Nazis, US, Japanese, etc did not punish their rapists to the same degree so as to serve as a deterrent.

            Further, the Nazi propagandists used the facts of ethnic asians in the Red Army to propagandize about “mongol hordes coming to rape everyone,” which is of course racist, but nevertheless was enough to create the myth of the Red Army as exceptionally brutal as compared to the other armies.

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                We were talking about the Red Army, not the Russian millitary in general. Is your point that sexual assault is genetic to Russians, or are you under the impression that Russia is still Socialist? The former would be racist, the latter would be a critical misunderstanding of Russian history.

                Further, again, all armies commit assaults. This does not make any excess acceptable whatsoever, but it does mean we need to look at what the armies do internally to suppress it. We can see that the Ukrainian army is also guilty of sexual assault:

                Amnesty International accessed the government-controlled territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions between January and November 2019. The organisation has had no access to the separatist-controlled areas, which fall beyond the scope of the report.

                Official statistics on domestic violence, however unreliable and incomplete, show a spike of registered cases in the last three years. In 2018, there was a 76% increase in reported cases in Donetsk region and a 158% increase in Luhansk region, compared to the average of the previous three years.

                Source: Amnesty International

                Even before Russia got directly involved, the Ukrainian army was sexually assaulting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass region as they were shelling the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics.

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                    The comment you replied to, here, was specifically talking about how the Soviets liberated the world from the threat of the Nazis. Your counter was that some members of the Red Army committed atrocities against civilians, which is true but doesn’t negate that all armies were committing atrocities, and the Red Army took it the most seriously by executing rapists.

                    What’s your point, then? Would the Nazis winning the war be the “good guys” winning, in your eyes? Or are you under the mistaken impression that the war could have been won without the tremendous price paid by the Soviet people? You were the one that brought in the Russian Federation’s Army, trying to make a point that Russians are bad, period, no matter if they are liberating the world from the Nazis or not.