It’s a bad agreement to make. If a nuclear nation tries to make a deal with a non-nuclear country to not develop a weapon that country needs to double their nuclear program funding.

The US doesn’t respect their agreements and Russia clearly hasn’t. At best nuclear nations just want to keep the non-nuclear nation subservient

So what Iran is just supposed to let Israel continue unprovoked attacks? Yeah that’s a fucking stupid take.

Also the US was the invader during the Vietnam War so that’s a bad example all around

I think you’re forgetting differences in military capabilities.

Israel can be more selective in it’s targets in Gaza, but they deliberately chose hospitals. Iran, the nation defending itself, has to send large missile barrages to try and break through the iron dome defense. Those will be less precise

I’d be fine if the apartheid government willingly dissolved and created a new system where the genocide of Palestinian people wasn’t the goal. A government that didn’t attack it’s neighbors on a whim.

This could be bloodless, but unfortunately the state will not allow that

Apartheid governments don’t get my sympathies. If the people wanted it to end I’d support the people

It’s like feeling bad when Berlin was bombed.

Like yeah there are of course some innocents there, but the majority are involved in either the war machine or the genocide.

First let’s settle one thing, Israel has no right to exist. I’m against assuming 100% of the populace is all for the genocide. The majority government and their supporters clearly are.

The apartheid state of Israel needs to end. The genocide needs to be stopped by any means, except a genocide in return.

The entire majority government and their supporters can hang.

I’m not going to condem the rest for a “thought” crime they didn’t commit. Maybe they would have done the same thing, maybe not.

Blaming the government in power and those who put them in power for the actions taken by the government is totally reasonable.

You’re suggesting well “what about a hypothetical government that doesn’t exist huh?”. That doesn’t matter. They don’t exist. Blame the government

It clearly is.

Just because a nation commits an act of war against you doesn’t mean that you have to declare war and attack. All it means is you have a justifiable cause to retaliate under international law

Right, modern day international law would define that as an act of war.

Actually it was an act of war since it was done using the country’s military.

Piracy is reserved for unaffiliated parties.

So essentially Israel has committed an act of war against whatever country the boats’ are registered under

A slowly sinking boat gives me more time to breathe and therefore more time to fix it.

Being in shark infested waters gives me neither of those things.

It’s very basic self preservation.

Also don’t pretend the ship was crashed. It wasn’t it was just straight into shark infested waters. If crash was an option I’d pick it.

Yes that’s going to get the working class to unite. You’ve solved it.

I’ll let you in on a secret. The wealthy will continue to exploit the entire world regardless of how many workers in their country go hungry. You’re advocating for the worker to suffer for the sake of suffering

You do make a good point. They could have more going on and maybe just have a weaker advertisement of it. I’ll look deeper into my local chapter

All my local PSL does is go to protests and post gofundmes.

Seems a lot like the type of lackluster activism you accused me of

Sure the parent organization has a better message, but they seem generally ineffective. But I guess that’s what the system is designed to do. No real change can occur without revolt. And that will be suppressed with extreme violence.

Very helpful I’ll be sure to tell my sister that next time she calls me crying.

I’m starting to think the worker is low on your priority list

Let me talk about my personal life for a bit. Maybe you’ve never met a worker or maybe you’re too concerned about your moral high ground to take a pause and think about everyday people’s lives.

My sister called me yesterday crying after Trump’s “big beautiful bill” passed the house. She is deathly afraid of how she’ll make ends meet without food stamps or the medicaid that pays for my niece to have Healthcare. So now she worries about being able to feed her daughter, a daughter she had no choice in whether or not to have thanks to state laws.

The idea that there is no conceivable difference is bullshit. Should two full time workers struggle so much? Absolutely not. They should be able to afford to live, and food stamps is a band aid solution. But it keeps people fed. Neither party wants to fix the cause, but only one wants to cut food stamps. Only one wants to end school lunch programs, end abortion, disenfranchise women, and we both know I can keep going.

Yes both are evil, and I’ll concede Guantanamo Bay. It’s sad that I was thinking about the new one in El Salvador and forgot that one. The crimes of this government is astounding.

You’re not even wrong about how the working class need socialism they do. Without a doubt. That’s unfortunately not coming tomorrow, and we are stuck with a binary choice. Unless of course there’s an armed revolution neither of us will be starting so maybe skip the rhetoric or feel free to prove me wrong. When presented with an unsatisfactory binary choice I’ll vote for the one that is less likely to cause my family to go hungry.

I agree the system is broken, and our options are limited. We can take up arms against the state, but that may not go so well. The only option that they won’t execute us for is picking harm reduction at the ballot box. Not satisfactory but at least my niece gets to eat and my sister can sleep a bit easier. We can of course protest, but that has always seemed ineffective as well. I go, but especially in modern day it seems lack luster. If you have any suggestions feel free to give them. But I will always pick the choice that causes the least amount of harm while trying to figure out the path forward to something better.

Sorry I’m not going to buy your “both sides are the same” bullshit when one side is currently utilizing a foreign gulag.

Neither is ideal, but it doesn’t take a genuis to parse out which is worse for the worker.

It’s low key Nazi apology rhetoric

Fascist = sharks

I’d say capitalism will be easier to defeat under a liberal democracy than and authoritarian fascist regime.

It’s better to stay separated from the sharks I’d say

Better in a slowly sinking ship than to be torn apart by sharks. Even if the people in the ship are ignoring it’s sinking.

And ironically depending on the boat’s construction it may fill with water and still maintain some buoyancy. Or only half the boat will fill. The boat will be a lot worse, but still provide a barrier to the sharks